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[00:13] Dr. BethAnne's Introduction to The Episode

Aloha and welcome to Your Heart magic and illuminating space where psychology spirituality and heart wisdom meet. Here's your host, Dr. BethAnne Kapansky. Wright, the clinical psychologist with a mystic mind.

Aloha, everyone. This is Dr. BethAnne Kapansky. Wright, welcome to your heart magic. We are talking about the topic today, you are the Oracle understanding signs with the twist. And I love talking about this topic. I think I say that with every topic, but I just get so excited about all of this. And some of what I bring through is my own understanding and my own experience. And what I've pieced together, and my spiritual journey and my learnings for myself and others. And some of this information is from the Akashic records, who are always so kind prior to me hopping on here, to help provide some additional information about the topic that we're going to be talking about.

So we will be looking at, like, why should we care about signs in the first place? What is it about understanding signs and feeling empowered to work with them? And being able to deconstruct the word or a coal and kind of claim that for ourselves? Why is that important on our journey? And how can we work effectively with signs? What are some of the limitations of understanding signs and interpreting signs, and the twist part is just some, I hope, some new ideas on this information when I originally had this idea to do this for a podcast, and a lot of times my ideas for a podcast really just come through, where I will ask What should I do next, and just open myself up to receiving. And every time there's like, here's your topic, here's your topic.

So this was the topic this week that came through. And when I first looked at that I really did not want to sit here and spend 30 to 40 minutes talking about, if you see a heart in the cloud, that might be a sign from the angels. You know, if a feather floats down in front of you, that's probably a sign that your angels are trying to get a hold of you. It just felt really redundant to me. And we will kind of tap into some of those things. But there's just some awesome people out there who have grounded those ideas for us. They've done the work, they've had the dialogues, they've written books, there's blog posts, there's just so much content, I wanted to bring through something a little bit new and a little bit fresh, and something that just kind of put your heart magics community's twist on understanding all of this. So that's the twist today. And we'll see what else shows up in this podcast.


[03:21] The Akashic Records on Signs

So first of all, let's talk about signs and why we should care about them. And you know, what about the signs, the Akashic Records actually called Signs of forgotten language. That was the terminology that I saw those words flash in front of my, my mind flashed in my mind as I was opening the records for this topic. And as I was opening the records, I was being inundated by images from history, where signs and symbols have been used in different ways throughout ancient civilization into the modern day age, you know, from cavemen, and cave women cave beings chiseling on a wall for communication and leaving some form of a communication.

Seeing that prior to written language up to now, where we use signs all the time still, how do you know what bathroom to go into? Usually, there's a sign that shows you which way to go. How do you know if you're for traveling in a foreign country, and you don't speak the language. A lot of times there's these universal signs like here's the toilets. You know, here's the transportation, here is where food might be. These things are Signs for those who speak sign language that is all done through sign and symbolism.

So sign language and signs and understanding signs and using signs modern artists who put signs and colors and people who really work with graphic design. There are some I strewn throughout all of those. But it is a forgotten language in the sense that we are very reliant on verbal communication. We are reliant on speaking and writing and communicating primarily as that form of communication. And there are other forms out there, they are just underused, and over time in that under use have often been a forgotten language to some extent.

And what I was feeling and the records was this idea that there was a point in time where written language and communication existed, but signs were also acknowledged as a legitimate form a normal form of communication, not something that was left to an Oracle to interpret if they see a raven, you know, on the first day of December, and what that might mean for the crops in the years ahead. That they were archetypes around them that there was an archeology around them.

And this shared history around what those things meant, according to the collective consciousness of a culture. And so it was much more normalized and much more common. And there was more of shared wisdom, we might look at that if you want to break it down into the brain, right brain left brain stuff and sort of that logic, verbal part of our brain versus more of the creative, intuitive, Mystic minded part that speaks and feels more through signs and symbols and all of those things. So there's used to be really normal. And at this point, it is somewhat of a forgotten language. And when it's used in the socially appropriate context, like with travel, or in an intentional way to say, this is what we use as this language, if for some reason and written expression won't work, that's a little bit more accepted.

But when we start to kind of bust out the spiritual stuff, and say, somebody says to us, well, how do you know? And they're, let's say, let's say they're not very spiritually open, curious, any of that. And you say, Well, I got a sign, some people are going to look at you a little bit funny, that is not going to be recognized as legitimate form of communication, since we overvalue the rational mind. Well, you gotta sign Yeah, I had a dream about it. And then the next day, I started seeing 11, elevens, everywhere. And then, you know, a few days after that, this showed up in the mail, and it had this phrase in it, and it related to what I was asking my question about. And, you know, all these things kind of told me a story that helped me feel this is the right direction to go. You tell that to a person who is not open to that as a legitimate form of communication.

And actually, if you've been in that experience, or experienced before you've experienced what happens, you're usually looked at it skeptically, there might be some mockery that goes on, it depends on how empathic the individual is, regardless of their beliefs, but it's often not accepted. So we have these dialogues around these things to help them be a little bit more normalized.


[08:15] How Do You Work with Signs with Integrity?

And that's actually what the record said, when I asked is there, what would you want people most to know? And that's kind of my last question before I close them, what do you want people to know, above all, and it was this, like, let's normalize this, this is a normal form of communication that you should feel empowered to learn to do for yourself and to learn to work with and to think about as a legitimate language that you are learning? How do you work with spirit with your angels, with your guides with the pattern itself to receive the signs and symbols, and synchronicities that might help you feel that you are communicating with spirit, and that you are effectively having these communications.

And there's a normalization there, you know, they didn't really do like the hashtag, no stigma, but that was the energy I got from the records, you know, when it comes to this. So how do we do this in a way that feels practical and responsible? And in our integrity? I am thinking that most of us who listened to this podcast are wanting to move about the world in a way where we really feel in alignment with our integrity.

And a lot of times we have a fear around misinterpreting these things, or what if we're making it up? And sometimes that fear is a question of our own Saturday, but I often think I'll speak specifically to myself, my fear was really about well, I want to be in integrity. So if I'm going to base how I'm thinking on this kind of communication, it was really important to me that I had a grasp on what I thought I was receiving and what I thought it meant, and that was something that I had grounded in some sort of knowledge or education, you know, or something that felt a little bit more Rational. And perhaps that's me trying to rationalize the mystic mind. But often, Spirit speaks through both.

And so often I have found that when we are receiving signs, symbols, synchronicities and those things, there's something about them that we're able to ground it and say, This is why I have confidence in this. And this is why I trust this. And I think that's important. And I'm going to just guess that those listening to this feel like it's important to so how do we do that? Let's dive in. Let's say that you are starting out, or you are you're already believer, and you want to feel more empowered to work with signs and your life.

And you are tired of maybe this verbiage that because you might not necessarily identify as psychically gifted, or maybe you are gifted in that capacity, but you feel like your gift to something else. And so you don't really recognize your ability to learn some theology and learn these things. How do you begin to doing to do that? Well, the first thing is to begin to work with the pattern. And one of the best things that I was ever told back when I moved to Kauai in 2017, and I was working with this psychic named Jan, and she said, work with the pattern bath and start developing a pattern around your spiritual practices.

And I didn't quite understand why she was telling me that. And here's what I've learned about that. First of all, our universe is comprised of patterns. And even though there's a lot of stuff out there about chaos theory, and things that are probably scientifically stuff that I shouldn't get into, because I don't fully know what I'm talking about. There's a lot of things that move and patterns in our universe. There are the spirals, there's clusters of atoms and molecules, they form elements when they come together into certain compounds. There is DNA, and the pattern that that has in the human body, and genetic patterns of like, well, what if you have like, you know, one more of this, or one less of this, like, what might that mean, and how your pattern is different and how that changes your biology or your experience.

There are patterns to the seasons, often, even when we're having unpredictable weather. Usually it is a sure bet that if it is January, in Wisconsin, it's probably not the summer season, you are probably cold in January, especially if you live farther up north in that state. So there are these certain patterns and these natural laws in our world that we are all subject within and we're working within. And mathematics is a pattern. Numbers are a pattern. Music is a pattern. And all of those things tend to be universal patterns because they defy language.

So when something defies language, and it is a universal pattern, and we are part of that pattern, it is a great way to begin to consciously work with the pattern in order to develop a practice and let spirit know, Hey, I am paying attention. I am working with the pattern for myself personally, my spiritual practice consisted of and it still does, sitting down in my journal, writing out what is coming through. I am a big journaler and it's not like Dear Diary today this happened sometimes I process feelings that way. But I'm more likely to know what's going on in my life. What does my intuition say? Anything can be on those pages from my to do list to what's been showing up for me spiritually.


[13:46] Using Tarot Cards and Journaling to Work with Signs in The Pattern

So, I just use it as a place to ground like my experience in life. And then I started using oracle cards, archetype cards, tarot cards to work with the pattern I already enjoy that they made sense to me. I wanted to keep expanding that knowledge is so rich in history, and imagery. And what I began to notice over time, as I work with that pattern is that cards began to take on a deeper nuance a deeper meaning, I would find I was pulling the same sort of card for something that I was querying, or that it would keep coming up for a certain topic.

Because I was journaling every day and I was sitting down and I was trying to come into my heart, I became more aware of how I felt in that moment. And that helped me recognize patterns within myself like when I might just feel really cloudy and fuzzy and nothing was coming through versus when I might feel this stream of consciousness flowing through me and feel like something was really resonating with my heart or I just had a moment of, oh, that's it.

And I had those insights, I noticed those differences, because I was creating a pattern around a spiritual practice, which is why I feel it's so important to create spiritual practices. I don't care what they are. I don't care what you do. It is less important about that. And just more important about the intention, and creating a time that you let spirit now.

And this moment, I'm not being distracted with what's happening on social media, or what's happening over here. I'm looking up and I'm looking inward, and I'm listening, and I'm wanting to connect, it becomes easier for spirit to get a hold of us in that moment, think about a time that you are trying to get somebody's attention, and they're like on their phone or something like that. And they're texting. And they tell you, Oh, no, I'm totally listening. I'm totally listening. I can do both things at once. First of all, it's just kind of pause there and all laugh and I've also done that I'm sure we've all done that. But can we like can somebody do two things at once and multitask that's well, like so much so that they're able to write that text and be articulate, and also listen and give you their full, undivided attention. I don't know, I'm kind of skeptical that that's actually happening in that moment.

So when we do the same thing in our spiritual relationship, it's certainly not impossible for spirit to get through, you know, if that is us trying to communicate to a friend or communicate to somebody, we might be like, hey, and like clap our hands or be like, this is really important. Or I'm gonna wait until you're done with that, because you seem distracted, you know, so I'm gonna just wait to communicate to you, like, you know, we can still get through to somebody, then spirit can still get through to us. But it's much easier when we're paying attention and when we're grounding and into a space. The other thing about patterns is that when we begin to notice things within a pattern, like numbers is a good one, right? How often do we look at the clock per day. So when we see numbers and start to see the 11:11's, or the 222's or something like that, we're working with the pattern.

So the first thing is just this awareness with the pattern and beginning to work with the pattern and developing a spiritual practice with the patterns in your life. And the other thing that I want to add on to that is informing the pattern of what you want to see if you want more science to show up in your life. And you want to empower yourself to be like your own Oracle and to like really feel like you are developing this language, put it out there and say, Hey, universe, Hey, God, hey, angels, however you think about the mysteries, I want to develop this language of seeing signs, I want to understand it better, I am looking to actively develop this knowledge, help things start showing up in the pattern that resonate with me. What a great way to use your voice to inform this interconnection, that you are very much a part of how you would like to work with that interconnection, spirit is paying attention.

And this is why in different cultures, signs and symbols can sometimes vary because something that is meaningful, in one part of the world might be something so regular, and another part it's not even paid attention to. A bird that shows up that is a rare bird in your part of the world might be something that is not rare somewhere else, they see them all the time. So it's not going to get somebody's attention. But for you if you know, it's a rare sighting and say, oh my gosh, I never see a redhead, whatever, you know, in February and whatever, you are more likely to queue in and say, Gosh, I wonder if that's a sign. I wonder if there's something there for me. So this kind of brings me into the next point with developing our own language of being the Oracle and working with signs and that is to begin to pay attention.


[19:08] The Importance of Paying Attention to The Pattern

Because when we pay attention and we begin to observe the world around us, we start to give the pattern, more opportunities to show itself what might want to come through. So if we're actively putting out there, angels, I really want to sign I'm really worried about my loved one. They've crossed over I'm really sad. I really feel like I could have I really like a sense of their presence.

When we're paying attention. It creates more opportunities for signs to come through when we're actively saying okay, I know my message was heard. I believe that something is coming my way to give me that reassurance. It helps if we're actually like looking up and looking around. I'm seeing a comical illustration may be in my mind right now, as I say that were in this illustration, I've not seen it, this is just kind of a picture coming into my head, the person's like looking down, and they got a little dark cloud over them. And they're stewing. And they're saying, like, I just really wish I could get a sign, you know.

And what I'm seeing is like, the red Cardinal flying up overhead and a feather that's laying at their feet, and you know, a cloud in the shape of a heart that's behind them. And like their watch says, like 333 on it, you know, and maybe there's like signs all around them. And they're just not paying attention, because they're not looking up. So we have to pay attention.

And when we pay attention, we try and do so without a huge attachment to how it's going to come through. We just pay attention and trust that if we're looking at the pattern, whatever's meant to show up, will show up for us. Some common ways that things do come through. And like I said, we will just lightly touch on this, since a lot of it's already been written about, you know, it is common for people to find pennies, you know, some sort of a change that they associate with something, numbers are common music is common hearing the same lyric or the same song, something that is really meaningful to you. Nature is common, birds, something happening, a butterfly coming across your path.

All of these things are ways that spirit can speak. And, you know, nature is intrinsically already linked into the spirit world and in communication. So it's just a little bit easier for the signs to come through that way. But a sign could be that you are scrolling on social media, and you are have been asking a question and you just see some quote, and maybe it moves you to tears. And you think oh my gosh, that's it. Like I've been wondering this all day. And like, that's exactly what I was hoping in my heart to have some clarity on like, that just summed everything up, I feel so clear right now.

So it can really come through in so many forms, it's really a matter of like, what patterns we move in. And how spirit can help move within those patterns. If somebody never gets out in nature. But they're always on the screen, please don't be fine get out in nature. But let's just say in theory that they don't really live somewhere natural. So it's really hard for them, they will live in a cold place, maybe maybe they live in the city, they have just have a hard time and they're more likely to be indoors and watch something or to read something or to listen to something, then messages will be more likely to show up that way.

So if Spirit works with what we have, there's no limitation here on resources and spirits saying like I see where you're at, I'm going to meet you down there, I'm going to help you kind of get the guidance that you're looking for. So like, let's not limit how it might come through. When we are paying attention, the next thing we do is we start to make a note of it. Because when we start to make a note of what is showing up, what we are doing is we are developing a sense of the pattern and our own life.

So this is where I want to just kind of touch on interpreting signs and understanding signs and what to do when they show up. And we'll get into a little bit a little bit later. What to do like when like, how we limits signs, how signs are limiting, and how we can limit them. But what I want to say about interpretation is that often, we might not always know the interpretation too soon.

Now, if you have said I'm looking for a message for a loved one, and usually when I think of them in the past, I've seen red Cardinals. That's one that seems like a common one that some people have experienced or a bird with read on it. So please send me a bird with read on it. If you have done that, you're more likely to probably see a bird with write on it because you've asked the information to come through in that very direct way. But what if you've just said I really want to receive a message from a loved one. I need to know they're okay. Please send me a sign and you love to open ended. Maybe you don't want to limit spirit. Maybe you want to just see what shows up. The first thing we do is we pay attention.

The second thing we do is we make note of what feels meaningful. So if something feels synchronistic or it feels meaningful for you, making a mental note, or writing it down in your journal is a beautiful thing. Often when especially if it's the first time we receive it, we may or may not know that that sign is meant for us. It's very common for us to say huh, I just saw a feather but I'm at the beach and there's a lot of seagulls here and there's actually a lot of feathers

So even though this feather kind of felt meaningful, because it floated down at my feet, when I look around the beach, there's feathers everywhere fly status sign, I don't know, just make a note of it, make a note and just say, Okay, think that might have been you, but I just, I'm going to need some more. I'm down here on Earth, I've got some human limitations. Help me, I'm gonna need some more confirmation here, it's okay to do that, and keep paying attention. Maybe you notice later that day that a song that they really loved, like comes on the radio, or plays on your Spotify or something like that.
 

[25:36] Receiving Multiple Signs as Confirmation of Messages

And you think, Oh, my gosh, like, they love this song. You know, or maybe you're watching something on Netflix, or you're watching a favorite show. And somebody says something like, well, everything happens for a reason. And you think, Oh, my gosh, my grandma always said that, she always said that, I first the feather, you know, then the song. Now, that's what she said. That's why we make a note of it. Because when it happens in threes, or when something happens, and it's happening kind of more and more, that gives us more confidence to say I think I can believe this. Like, I think that my prayer and my request has been heard and is being answered.

So we pay attention. And we just make note of it. And that is how we build trust in science. And that is how we build vocabulary in science. And what I want to bring into this is that when we talked about the Akashic records, and the episode, the light of the Akashic records, one of the things that I mentioned is that working with the record is a little bit like learning a new language. And the way the information comes through, there's a little bit of a learning curve, and that sometimes people get really frustrated with themselves, because I don't know why we don't go into like geometry on day one in high school and somehow expect that the math teacher is going to be like, here's a proof. And somehow we're going to be able to like move through the book and master the proof and know what it means.

But a lot of times, it's like, we have this weird expectation for ourselves that if something shows up, we should know what it means. And we're missing something, or we think that we should like that there's like this big grand meaning. And if we don't figure it out, we're missing it. And we've missed some like big, vital, important clue in our life. And that's really how it works, at least not in my understanding. Maybe somebody's had that experience.

[27:42] Learning the Language of Signs

But what I found is that we are learning a language here. And languages are meant to be developed. When we learn French, I don't speak French. But if I was to take French, I would have to start at the beginning. I know like Bonjour, I probably like brie. You know, we have to learn there's a learning curve. And so often, and maybe it's because we expect our intuition to just know. And sometimes our intuition does just know. But you know, a lot of times our intuition does work with our logical mind or our verbal mind, they a lot of times work together. It's not like we are only gifted the right brain, or the left brain and there's no relationship, we might have an overly rational mind. And so we're working on developing the intuitive and mystic mind and these things, but they're meant to work in symbiosis. They're meant to work together. It's not meant to exist independently of each other.

That's part of unification in our understanding of our own selves and our I guess, mental intelligence, and unifying the two different sides of our brain. You know, Unification is unifying our divine feminine and our divine masculine. It's unifying our shadow side and our light side. You know, that is what wholeness is. It's not just one or the other. It's both. So these things work together.

And so this expectation that somehow we should just know, even the wisest Oracle's that did not know everything. And if you ever read anything written in history, and look at somebody who was maybe a shaman or an oracle or was revered in their culture, or their tribe or in mythology, somehow, they often trained under somebody, they often had a mentor. They often did a vision quest, or some sort of priestess training, or some sort of mystery, you know, magic school training. There was often some sort of apprenticeship in order to teach them how to be a receiver. are of the signs, even those who are extremely psychically gifted, can't tell you everything.

I have worked with a lot of intuitives and some different psychics over the years. It ws super fun. I wanted to do a survey course and be like, what's out there? How do people's different gifts come through? And they can tell me some like really big pieces. But one of the things that I found is that nobody said here is like the solutions and the answers and what it's meant to look like. It's just not how it is. So we're meant to educate ourselves. And we're meant to learn things, and we're meant to grow into it. So let's round this idea of being our own Oracle, and understanding signs, like let's ground it a notch, that we can't forget about the importance of just developing a language and a vocabulary around what something means. And the more that something comes through to you.

So let's say you're seeing butterflies everywhere. And you decide to look up well, what is the butterfly mean? You know, and so you, let's say you Google it, and there's all this information about that. I think that's awesome. There's nothing wrong with doing that. Take it all with a grain of salt, it is the internet.

But if something really resonates for you, and you say, wow, like butterflies are a symbol of metamorphosis, and transformation, I feel like I'm going through that right now. I think I'm in the cocoon phase, like awesome, especially if you keep seeing butterflies like, that feels very supportive to me, you know, but maybe you take it a step further, and maybe you write down your relationship with butterflies, what do you know about butterflies? have they shown up in your life before? Has this ever been a sign that you had a different time period and you were really drawn to butterflies? You know, what do you know about the history are the archetype of the butterfly, and just paying attention and developing this knowledge base of what something means will always serve us? Well, because the more we know about something, the more fun it becomes.

And the more we are able to take something that shows up in our life and have this rich knowledge base of all these different, it's not just meanings, but a more holistic sense of what it means. So it's not this multi-dimensional. What is 1111 mean? It means you're having a spiritual awakening? It might, it can mean that 1111 means a lot of things, there's actually like a rich archetype around it. If you research Angel numbers and the meaning of the numbers, what's the meaning of one? What's the mathematical meaning of one? What's the symbolism behind that? What is one represent? You know, when you think about the number one, what does it mean to you? What associations do you have with it?

The more that comes through, the more you almost get, like this holistic experience of the number. And it makes for a more nuanced, rich experience, than if you just have this like, Oh, I'm seeing 11 elevens. What does it mean? Oh, boy, you're having a spiritual awakening? Well, what if you've had a spiritual awakening? And it's actually not a very applicable thing to you? And that feels very like a pat answer. And does not hold any personal relevance in your life at this time? How do we take that further, we take it further by developing vocabulary around it. And that's how we develop discernment. Because one of the things that is often a risk, I suppose, or a drawback of working with signs is this idea that one, we should know exactly what they mean. And if we don't, we're somehow missing something. And to it is interpreting them too soon, before we actually know what something means.


[34:21] Working with Signs Constructively - Do They Resonate?

And sometimes what happens when we do this is we are interpreting it in the context of what we want to see, as opposed to what might actually be coming through. So part of discernment is that paying attention and it is developing more of a patience around these things. And it is developing a little bit of a it just resonates with me. What if you say, I dreamed of a hawk and my dreams last night, and you get online? And I don't actually know this, I'm 100% making this up. But you see some source on the internet that says when you dream of a hawk, it means that you're easy prey and that you should beware because something's coming that is going to prey on you.

Okay, that's really scary. Like that. Like, that doesn't feel good. That's fear based consciousness right there. That is not something that says I'm going to keep my heart open to what this sign might mean. Like if I were to read that and I didn't know better because I didn't feel empowered to work with these and amorphous would weigh, like, that might freak me out. And then I might start going through relationships in my life and be like, well, who's lying to me? Is it this, uh, maybe it's work, maybe there's something that's going on at work, oh my gosh, my co worker, you know, said this the other day, and I don't always get the best vibe from them. And she was talking to someone, so maybe it means this. No, your spirit does not speak to us in science in a way that's meant to scare us. Like, we do not receive messages that are meant to put fear in our hearts, we might occasionally receive something that's cautionary like, Hey, have some wisdom here, slow down like yellow light. But it's never meant to be this fear based thing.

So you have this vision or whatever of a hawk and your dream, it would actually be much more useful probably for you to sit down in your journal and write about what's your relationship to Hawks? Have you ever seen one before? You know, have you heard any stories about them? Maybe you do some research and see what's out there about them. And maybe you write all of that down? And say, well, some places say it's this some places say it's this. And then you ask yourself the question, Does any of this resonate with me? Does any of this like really like make me light up inside? Or feel warm? Or feel like I'm opening? Does any of this feel personally meaningful to me? And if the answer's yes, keep moving in that direction. It's probably connected to that personal meaning. If the answer is no, this feels really confusing, then keep paying attention.

It is 100%, okay to say, Hey, guys, I feel like somebody's trying to get my attention, like spirit world, I'm listening, you know, that was really telling in my dream that felt really profound to me, but I don't get what that's about. So could you please bring it through and some other shape or form so I understand the message. I do this all the time when I'm working with the Akashic records, and maybe I'll get an image on something that I don't entirely understand. Or maybe it's too close to something that I've either seen before or something where I have a flash and a moment, where my mind's like, I think I got that from the records.

But you know, what, if that's my imagination, you know, it's really common for me to say, I really need a clearer picture, could you bring that through in some sort of an image that's not as familiar to me, so I can make sure that it's coming from the records, they've never said no, like, they never said like, No BethAnne, we already gave it once. And we're really mad at you that you're questioning our judgment and how we delivered this information. And so we're not going to bring it through, go figure it out. This so not how it works.

So just ask, this is how we become our own Oracle. It's not to kind of present ourselves as I am this phenomenal psychic, who understands everything showing up in my path. Even people who've grown in that gift, took the time to develop it, and took the time to understand it, they took the time to develop a relationship with it. And they took the time to develop a space of trust, just like any other relationship to say, I trust these messages, we would not have a first date with somebody and say, oh my gosh, like, this is the person I'm going to marry. I just realized there's some celebrities who've done that. Okay, most people but not go on one date. And in that moment, you know, go to Vegas and be like, I've met my soulmate. We're getting married, you might have a day and feel like I think I met the person I meant to be with. And as you do you really start to be like, yeah, like I knew it from the start, but there's this natural progression to the relationship. But you wouldn't like overnight, just go from like just meeting for the first time to having this intimate relationship and expect that you're going to be soulmates and know everything about each other. And it's all going to be okay.

You know, we have to develop trust with anything in our life. So we develop trust in our relationship with others, we develop ourselves and of course, we can develop it with spirit. Of course, we can develop a trusting relationship with I trust the science. At this point in my journey, I trust what comes through because I've been living it for long enough now that I've seen the truth and the messages that I receive. I trust the Akashic records, because I have been working with them long enough now to see that more often than not, what is coming through seems to really resonate with people. When I bring through collective messages. Those themes seem to happen. It's not about being right, we have to lose our attachment to being right or being wrong. Let spirit be right or wrong.

And instead it's about staying open and developing a trusting relationship over time and saying, Hey, I trust this because it keeps showing up for me. I trust that when I see butterflies, I know that it is my my sister on the other side, because that was her favorite, her favorite you know symbol. And ever since she's gone, I've just been so seeing them everywhere. And it's never changed, I trust it, it is a relationship that we develop over time.


[40:09] Limitations of Interpreting Signs: Interpreting Too Soon

All right, last piece, limitations of signs. So we tapped on this a little bit, but I do want to talk about a couple of important limitations. First of all, one is we already said it, it's interpreting it too soon. And so we already covered that we're going to stay open, we're going to try and resist the urge to do that. But connected to interpreting too soon, you know, kind of the second one here is when we project what we want onto it. And so we're actually not really open to what it means.

And this is where things get really sticky for a lot of people. And this is when sometimes we have miscommunication with spirit, or miscommunication with our spiritual relationship where we say, I thought I was following the signs the best I knew how, and it didn't work out. And like what happened, why didn't you show me, you know, sometimes, it is still working out, you're just judging it based on a moment, the bigger picture hasn't happened yet. But sometimes what happens is we have put our own interpretation of what we thought was going to happen. And I'm going to give you a really good example of that.

This is a story I've told a few times before, but back when we first moved to the island, was December of 2017. And I remember at the time, what was happening in my like, like life circumstances is my husband had been doing some job hunting. And I think he had a couple interviews, and was hoping to, you know, find something on the island at the time. And I had gotten it in my mind that a job offer was coming through by December 15. And at the time, I think I'd open the Akashic records. And that might be where I got that from, I want to say maybe pulled some tarot cards, you know, probably saw a couple of Angel numbers.

And for some reason I was really stuck on this is the date. And sidenote, when we have a really strong attachment to how we want something to go, we're innately biased. So it might not be as clear, there's a very good chance that I interpreted all of that through the lens of what BethAnne wanted in her little world, as opposed to what might have been being told to me. So, but I really believed I mean, I was a believer, and I use the metaphor that if you've seen the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, I was Linus and I was sitting in my pumpkin patch on Halloween night. And I had the most sincere pumpkin patch and the Great Pumpkin. He was coming.

I was ready for him. And what happened was, as that week went on, it was a Friday that week. You know, I was like at first like, Okay, this is the week. All right, we're doing this, it's happening. And as the week went on, I was like, okay, it hasn't happened yet. But that's okay. Because it's going to, like I got the confirmation. This is happening. It's happening by this Friday. And now it's Thursday night, and I remember thinking like, oh, spirit, like, Oh, you guys, you know, you really are just gonna wait till the last minute, you're just really testing my faith. And that sentiment, like increased and crew, like all through Friday, you know, and now it's like 330 in the afternoon. I remember being in my little home office, and I was working on some art. And I still believed like I'm still had my pumpkin patch.

And I still was like, Oh, you funny angels. You know, you really know how to push things to the last minute and make a grand and trends. Well, Friday the 15th or whatever day it was it was right around that it came and went and no phone call was made. And a phone call did come the next day and I remember in my head being like I knew it was only a day off. Do you hear the attachment to I was only a day off. I'm gonna just loop back to what I said about losing our attachment to being right and just call myself to the carpet on that. I did it to myself. And it actually was not an offer it was a thanks you know, we chose somebody else. And I was so mad after all of that and I actually like I'll keep this short looking at the time here. But I went on strike and that's it. I said I was like I am on strike. I will receive no more messages like I am mad at you.

I was like such a 40 something, 40 year old child I think throwing a temper tantrum because I didn't get what I wanted how I wanted and I had a lot of growth to do during that time. So what do I make of this? Here's what I would go back and tell myself you know, first down probably like, sit down and put my arm around her and be like, Hey younger self like you are awesome. I'm so proud of you that you You've made this move and that you are you and your husband that you're opening to this new life here. And you're trying to make a new path for yourself, like you're so brave and awesome, you don't even know it yet. I know a few things that you don't yet know. And it's all going to be okay. But oh, let's take a deep breath together. And you might be disappointed here. And you're going to draw the conclusion that the Great Pumpkin doesn't exist. And you're going to be really mad for a while until you kind of stop your temper tantrum. And remember that the metaphorical Great Pumpkin is always there available to all of us just doesn't always show up at the time and date that we want.

And I would tell myself that all those signs and things that you thought you were interpreting, were interpreting, you just got the date wrong, girl. That's it. All that confirmation that you had did not mean a job wasn't coming. It eventually came, it came in the right divine timing, which apparently is not Beth Ann's timing, I'm continually shocked by this, and I keep learning the same lesson. And I would tell myself, you didn't get anything wrong. You just had an attachment to how you think you were going to look. And so I'm gonna give you a better question to ask. And instead of the question of when which it's not a bad question, it's just a tricky question.

[46:23] The Limitation of Our Attachment to How We Want It To Look

Because we often have an attachment to what we want to see, what I would say to myself is like, just keep asking, Hey, angels, I just need some scientists gonna be okay, there's a lot of transformation happening, a lot of stuff is up in the air, I just want some confirmation. And then girl pay attention to what shows up, they'll come through, you will see that angel numbers, you will see the butterflies, you will get what you need to feel supported. And that's what I would tell us about the limitation of this is that often we attach to how we want it to look and so we miss the bigger picture that our prayer is being answered, the reassurance is there, it's right in front of us. And then we're like mad at it, because it doesn't tell us what we want to see.

And what a spirit is sitting on the other side, kind of like, and our older self will say our higher self, you know, kind of putting their arm around each and every one of us and being like, Hey, you, how's it going, I can tell you're really bummed out. You didn't get what she wanted here. But you know what we are giving you so much confirmation that your prayers are being heard, we are giving you confirmation that we are on it. We are not leaving you floundering and your SOS not being heard. So we're going to keep sending those quarters or those dimes to you.

We're going to keep giving you the clouds, we're going to be sending those birds, we're going to give you the numbers, we're going to give you meaningful song lyrics, we're going to put people in your path, who hand you something important, and it's going to hit your heart. And you're going to say yes, I think I just collected another piece of the puzzle, we will do all those things for you. Because we want you to know that you're not alone, can you just take a deep breath, and let us do our job and not get so angry at how we're doing it. Because we're trying to give you a bigger message, then, yeah, you're gonna get what you want in your own timing. We're trying to let you know that you are always supported. And if you get that, and you can live by that, that will change your life.

It is not life changing to be told, you're going to get what you want, how you want it and the timeline that you want it. And that's not life changing. That's indulging, I don't know, a child or my dog who sits and begs for a treat in the evening. Sometimes I give in because he's so adorable. You know, that's not growth there. What if you're being told what you need to truly support you on your path as opposed to what you want to hear. And that is what signs actually are about. And that is the value of learning to live with them. And trust them and build a relationship with them. Spirit wants us to see the bigger picture. Not just be told you're going to get it how you want it. That's not spiritual growth. That is our attachment to what we want. And sometimes we do get that sometimes that's absolutely in alignment.

But the bigger piece is you are loved. You are seeing your health. We are communicating with you look up, look within look around and feel empowered to know this is a normal language for you to start working with to develop your own sense of relationship.

[49:36] Coming Up Next Week

All right. That wraps up today's episode. And I'm excited about next week I did the thing I've been doing I put my hand on my heart. I said what topic is next and I'm going to tell you what came through navigating chaos and conflict. We're going to be talking about how do you navigate chaos and conflict in this world. We're not exactly living in the easiest times right now if you've been paying attention and being a participant in the human experience, and I want to talk about like, how do we actually move through hardship and struggle and all of that with a little bit more grace and ease? And how do we find center and that that doesn't require us to like go camp out somewhere and just like cut ourselves off from humanity and have no relationship with it and somehow pretend that we're isolated from the world going on around us like how do we stay connected, but also maintain inner peace and grounding. 

So we will see what wants to present itself this time next week. When, whenever this I sit down to do this podcast, and in the meantime, have an amazing week. Have a beautiful week, and until next time, be well, be love, be you and be magic